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Stream: theory: mathematics

Topic: Jacobian Conjecture disproved


view this post on Zulip John Baez (Jul 20 2026 at 08:33):

The Jacobian conjecture is a crazy relative of the inverse function theorem.

The inverse function says that if F:RnRnF: \mathbb{R}^n \to \mathbb{R}^n is a smooth function and its matrix of partial deriatives Fi/xj\partial F_i /\partial x_j is invertible at some point, FF has a smooth inverse in some neighborhood of that point.

The Jacobi Conjecture says that if F:CnCnF: \mathbb{C}^n \to \mathbb{C}^n is a polynomial function and its matrix of partial deriatives Fi/xj\partial F_i /\partial x_j is invertible at every point, FF has a polynomial inverse.

This seems inherently implausible, but it was open since 1939, resisting attempts to find a counterexample... until yesterday.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Jul 20 2026 at 08:35):

The mathematician Levent Alpöge, who works for Anthropic, found a counterexample to the Jacobi conjecture using Claude Fable. It's easy enough to check:

F(𝑥,𝑦,𝑧) = (𝑦²(3𝑥𝑦+4)(𝑥𝑦+1)+𝑧(𝑥𝑦+1)³, 3𝑥𝑦²(3𝑥𝑦+4)+3𝑥𝑧(𝑥𝑦+1)²+𝑦, 2𝑥−𝑥³𝑧−3𝑥²𝑦)

has Jacobian determinant equal to -2 everywhere, but it's not invertible since

F(0, 0, -1/4) = F(1, -3/2, 13/2) = F(-1, 3/2, 13/2) = (-1/4, 0, 0)

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Jul 20 2026 at 08:37):

Omar Antolin passed on some tweets where Claude Fable kept rechecking its work, raising various questions, some quite hilarious.

"Therefore the overwhelmingly likely resolution: THE MAP IS NOT ACTUALLY WHAT IT SEEMS - maybe it's not a map ℂ³→ℂ³?? It is."

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Claude Fable, freaking out:

"... but come ON. If this simple example were valid, [the Jacobi Conjecture] would have been settled long ago: this is clearly designed as a puzzle for AI/humans."

But no: sometimes famous open conjectures have fairly simple solutions!

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view this post on Zulip Jens Hemelaer (Jul 20 2026 at 08:47):

Any idea already what the consequences are for the closely related Dixmier conjecture? There are some subtleties regarding determinant 1 vs. nonzero determinant and n vs. 2n.

view this post on Zulip Morgan Rogers (he/him) (Jul 20 2026 at 08:49):

Ah yes, how could we have not spotted this trio of polynomials in 3 variables featuring at least one term of degree 7? Very careless in retrospect.

view this post on Zulip Martti Karvonen (Jul 20 2026 at 08:53):

Jens Hemelaer said:

Any idea already what the consequences are for the closely related Dixmier conjecture? There are some subtleties regarding determinant 1 vs. nonzero determinant and n vs. 2n.

Here's a claimed negative resolution built on this.

view this post on Zulip fosco (Jul 20 2026 at 09:13):

John Baez said:

Claude Fable kept rechecking its work, raising various questions, some quite hilarious.

"Therefore the overwhelmingly likely resolution: THE MAP IS NOT ACTUALLY WHAT IT SEEMS - maybe it's not a map ℂ³→ℂ³?? It is."

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hmm hmm hmm... I wonder why the training set of Claude is skewed towards these affectations and not others.

view this post on Zulip fosco (Jul 20 2026 at 09:15):

If anything, this shows the sheer power of AI of getting rid of all the factoids that are a few brute-force attempts away from being answered. In a perfect world this would skew the power dynamics of mathematics towards structural thinking over computation... in our world, I don't know.

view this post on Zulip fosco (Jul 20 2026 at 09:16):

One thing: "this seems inherently implausible"

does it?!

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Jul 20 2026 at 11:24):

I don't see anything saying "this seems inherently implausible". But I Fable is correct to worry

This example is suspiciously compact. If a 3-to-1 Keller map on C3\mathbb{C}^3 this simple existed, it would have been found decades ago by computer searches.

view this post on Zulip Kevin Carlson (Jul 20 2026 at 11:25):

you said “this seems inherently implausible” about the conjecture itself, John! I do wonder why Fable is wrong that this should have been found long ago by old-fashioned computer search.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Jul 20 2026 at 11:30):

Oh, okay. I thought Fosco was talking about Fable's solution. Yeah, the conjecture itself seems inherently implausible in a naive prima facie way, not based on any deep knowledge of algebraic geometry.

Why should local invertibility imply global invertibility? For example, everyone learns in school an analytic map f:CCf : \mathbb{C} \to \mathbb{C} such that the determinant of its Jacobian is invertible everywhere, so ff is locally one-to-one, but ff fails to be one-to-one. But the Jacobian conjecture says this can't happen for polynomials. So somehow the magic would need to come from replacing "analytic" by "polynomial".

Of course, a lot of magic comes from replacing "analytic" by "polynomial". So maybe if I actually understood algebraic geometry, I'd know something that makes the Jacobian conjecture seem plausible. But I don't, so it always seemed amazing-if-true.

view this post on Zulip Oisín Flynn-Connolly (Jul 20 2026 at 14:24):

Has anyone tried trying to resolve the Hadamard conjecture this way? I guess it's a slightly different type of conjecture but is something that strikes me as something likely to be in the convex hull of human knowledge (and, as of yesterday I would have imagined it to be infinitely easier than the Jacobian conjecture).

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Jul 20 2026 at 14:31):

I hadn't even known about the Hadamard conjecture:

For every integer kk there's a 4k×4k4k \times 4k matrix whose entries are either +1 or −1 and whose rows are mutually orthogonal.

Wikipedia says that in 2014, there were 12 multiples of 4 less than 2000 for which no Hadamard matrix of that order was known.[9] They are: 668, 716, 892, 1132, 1244, 1388, 1436, 1676, 1772, 1916, 1948, and 1964.

So, the easiest thing for a LLM to try might be to find a Hadamard matrix of order 668. Proving that none exists could be hard.

Unlike the Jacobian conjecture, where the counterexample was very easy to check, a counterexample to the Hadamard conjecture is a statement that at least 2668×6682^{668 \times 668} matrices don't have rows that are mutually orthogonal!

view this post on Zulip Oisín Flynn-Connolly (Jul 20 2026 at 14:39):

In principle, sure, but if it's false, there's likely some kind of combinatorial obstruction that may already exist in some form the literature (or a general construction, but my guess is that it is probably false, else one would already have been found).

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Jul 20 2026 at 15:00):

By the way: an "old question of Grothendieck about whether every finite free group scheme of order n was killed by n" was resolved in the negative on July 11th by ChatGPT Sol.

view this post on Zulip Morgan Rogers (he/him) (Jul 20 2026 at 15:36):

I find concerning Buzzard's attitude is that grad students should be paying out of pocket for these things if he deems that they're necessary for the job:

A few days earlier I had got an email from a professor in the maths department here at Imperial, expressing surprise that some of our graduate students were paying $200 per month to access models such as Sol and Fable. He said that he thought that these people were crazy. I did not immediately respond. But after meeting with Andrew I emailed the professor back and told him that in my opinion, any PhD student who was not paying $200 per month to access these tools was crazy.

I also think it would be a pretty devastating blow to the future of funding of mathematics research (or at least of mathematics researchers) if his suggested use of AI to find a counterexample to the Hodge conjecture were to be successful. Eek.

view this post on Zulip Kevin Carlson (Jul 20 2026 at 15:40):

Yes, that's likely to be more than a tenth of a graduate student's gross income, utterly tasteless of Buzzard. Unionized grad student populations may well start demanding funding for this kind of subscription, though it may be quite self-destructive.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Jul 20 2026 at 15:41):

I guess he thinks if you're poor you're crazy.

view this post on Zulip fosco (Jul 20 2026 at 16:46):

is he rich tho?

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Jul 20 2026 at 16:48):

He's probably doing quite well, being the face of mathematical formalization in Lean.