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Stream: deprecated: id my structure

Topic: Bicategory of split spans


view this post on Zulip Patrick Nicodemus (Aug 28 2023 at 01:58):

If E\mathcal{E} is a category with finite limits then there is a bicategory of "split spans". A 1-cell in the bicategory of split spans from AA to BB is an object XX equipped with f:XA,g:XBf : X\to A, g : X\to B, h:AXh : A\to X with fh=1Afh=1_A.

Unit and Composition extends the unit and composition of spans. A 2-cell is a map of spans respecting the splitting.

Anybody see this before?

Similarly there should be a pseudo double category of E\mathcal{E} objects, E\mathcal{E} morphisms and split spans.

Intuitively if spans are generalized relations then these things are generalized total relations, they come with a function witnessing that the relation is total.

view this post on Zulip Patrick Nicodemus (Aug 28 2023 at 02:11):

Hm. Intuitively the property ghf=gghf=g seems like it might be desirable for some arguments, but it doesn't appear to be necessary anywhere. On the other hand if you do want to assume this, it should be a sub-bicategory.
If spans are "bigraded sets" then spans satisfying this property are only trivially bigraded, as one grading is a refinement of another.

view this post on Zulip Patrick Nicodemus (Aug 28 2023 at 04:04):

Here's why I think this is an interesting notion. Consider the bicategory of sets and spans. Let C\mathcal{C} be a category and let F:CSpanF : \mathcal{C}\to\mathbf{Span} be a lax functor. So FF associates to each cc a set F(c)F(c) and to each f:cdf : c\to d a family of sets F(f)x,yF(f)_{x,y} for xF(c),yF(d)x\in F(c), y\in F(d). These relations are reflexive, so F(1c)(x,x)F(1_c)(x,x) is true for every xx, and transitive, so F(f)(x,y)F(g)(y,z)    F(gf)(x,z)F(f)(x,y) \land F(g)(y,z)\implies F(gf)(x,z).

If f:cdf : c\to d, then to prove a relation F(f)F(f) is "total valued" is to give an element of x:F(c)y:F(d)F(f)(x,y)\prod_{x: F(c)}\sum_{y: F(d)}F(f)(x,y).
If we want to prove this for all ff, there are natural coherence conditions that should be respected associated to the identity and composition of the category, and this entails that we lift the functor FF to the bicategory of split spans.

view this post on Zulip Patrick Nicodemus (Aug 28 2023 at 04:39):

For example, there is a functor F:CatopSpanF : \mathbf{Cat}^{\rm op}\to \mathbf{Span} sending each CC to Ob(C)\mathbf{Ob}(C) and R:DCR : D\to C to F(R)(c,d):={η:cR(d)η is a universal arrow}F(R)(c,d):= \left\{ \eta : c\to R(d)\mid \eta \textrm{ is a universal arrow} \right\}. RR has a left adjoint iff FF is a total-valued relation, i.e., if there is an element of cdF(R)(c,d)\prod_{c}\sum_dF(R)(c,d). If we have a diagram in Catop\mathbf{Cat}^{\rm op}, then we can lift it to the bicategory of split spans iff it is possible to choose a left adjoint for each functor in the diagram in a way that is compatible with composition on-the-nose.

As another example, let p:EBp: \mathbb{E}\to \mathbb{B} be a Grothendieck fibration, and let p1:BopSpanp^{-1} : \mathbb{B}^{\rm op}\to \mathbf{Span} be the lax functor which sends bb to Ob(p1(b))\mathbf{Ob}(p^{-1}(b)) and for f:cdf : c\to d,xp1(c),yp1(d)x\in p^{-1}(c), y\in p^{-1}(d), p1(f)(x,y)p^{-1}(f)(x,y) is the set of Cartesian arrows from xx to yy over ff.

Giving a lift of this lax functor to the bicategory of split spans is equivalent to choosing a splitting for the fibration.

view this post on Zulip Bryce Clarke (Aug 28 2023 at 04:47):

Hi @Patrick Nicodemus , I have studied this double category of "split spans" in Chapter 4 of my PhD thesis. There I called them "split multi-valued functions". It arises as the left-connected completion of the double category of spans.

view this post on Zulip Patrick Nicodemus (Aug 28 2023 at 04:48):

Sweet, thank you very much. Interesting! I'll check it out.

view this post on Zulip Bryce Clarke (Aug 28 2023 at 04:49):

The main goal of that work was construct a double category which "classifies" the notion of delta lens. Lax functors F ⁣:BSpanF \colon B \rightarrow Span are the same as delta lenses FB\int F \rightarrow B.

view this post on Zulip Patrick Nicodemus (Aug 28 2023 at 04:51):

Alright, very nice, that will give me somewhere to start.

view this post on Zulip Patrick Nicodemus (Aug 28 2023 at 04:52):

Just for the sake of discussion, I am interested in studying the three dimensional version of this concept where the double category of spans is replaced with the intercategory of spans https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022404916301256

view this post on Zulip Bryce Clarke (Aug 28 2023 at 04:53):

There are some talk slides (here, here, here) that I gave on this construction too.

view this post on Zulip Patrick Nicodemus (Aug 28 2023 at 04:54):

Oh, good. Thank you.

view this post on Zulip Patrick Nicodemus (Aug 28 2023 at 04:55):

I've alluded to this in previous threads but "lifting data" between morphisms of a category carries some kind of three dimensional structure

view this post on Zulip Bryce Clarke (Aug 28 2023 at 04:55):

Patrick Nicodemus said:

Just for the sake of discussion, I am interested in studying the three dimensional version of this concept where the double category of spans is replaced with the intercategory of spans https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022404916301256

That sounds interesting! If you have something concrete you'd like to discuss, please feel welcome to contact me by email.

view this post on Zulip Patrick Nicodemus (Aug 28 2023 at 04:55):

Ok, great. I really appreciate that. Once i get a chance to write down some relatively clean initial thoughts I may send them along.

view this post on Zulip Tobias Fritz (Aug 28 2023 at 14:18):

Bryce Clarke said:

I have studied this double category of "split spans" in Chapter 4 of my [PhD thesis]

This sounds interesting, would you mind posting the thesis here? I currently have some difficulties with the download from behind the Chinese firewall, even with Tor.

(Background: taking a 1-categorical version of this construction gives a construction of Markov categories which reproduces some standard examples.)

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Aug 28 2023 at 14:37):

Tobias Fritz said:

Bryce Clarke said:

I have studied this double category of "split spans" in Chapter 4 of my [PhD thesis]

This sounds interesting, would you mind posting the thesis here? I currently have some difficulties with the download from behind the Chinese firewall, even with Tor.

The-double-category-of-lenses.pdf