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Stream: deprecated: thermodynamics

Topic: Exergetic Port-Hamiltonian Systems


view this post on Zulip Markus Lohmayer (Feb 22 2022 at 21:57):

Dear @Owen Lynch , as a follow up to your remark "This was my dream! To represent resistors as dumping heat into a heat bath!" I just want to make you aware of my own work on the intersection of port-Hamiltonian systems and thermodynamics. I thought you guys might know about it, since I told @John Baez about it once on Twitter ;)
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13873954.2021.1979592
Recently I added some notes about a proper wiring diagram syntax: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358281632_EPHS_A_Port-Hamiltonian_Modelling_Language

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Feb 22 2022 at 22:00):

Thanks! I forgot about this - thanks for reminding us!

view this post on Zulip Markus Lohmayer (Feb 22 2022 at 22:01):

Basically, I would say my approach trades flexibility (in terms of which variables are used) for more simplicity. I hope this helps.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Feb 22 2022 at 22:02):

Can you say a bit about how you're deliberately reducing flexibility to achieve simiplicity - like, which variables you're deciding not to use, or what you could do that you've decided not to do?

view this post on Zulip Markus Lohmayer (Feb 22 2022 at 22:11):

Sure. As I once said to Owen already, and I suppose he was already familiar with it, the contact geometry puts all thermodynamic variables (extensive and intensive) on the same footing. Symplecitization unifies the two existing contact descriptions for one and the same system and hence gives you the maximal choice of variables to choose from I suppose. However, I am not sure how practical this really is, whatever practical means if one thinks about applying this stuff to engineering systems.

Since this is exactly my goal (I come from engineering), it makes sense that I am working on an approach which I feel is closer to applications and simpler to grasp. In the EPHS approach, all variables are energy variables, i.e. one needs to use entropy and other extensive quantities to parametrize the energy.