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Stream: deprecated: topos theory

Topic: 2-sites and 2-sieves


view this post on Zulip sarahzrf (Nov 10 2020 at 23:19):

so i'm way out of my depth here, i really don't have the prerequisites to discuss the stuff relevant to this intelligently

but i was wondering: is there any notion of a 2-site where a 2-sieve on an object A is, rather than a subobject of its yoneda embedding y(A), a discrete opfibration over y(A)?

view this post on Zulip sarahzrf (Nov 10 2020 at 23:20):

i was thinking about what it looks like to categorify all of the machinery of sheaves, wondering about the data of sieves, and it occurred to me that it seemed as though categorifying that part ought to result in discrete opfibrations

view this post on Zulip sarahzrf (Nov 10 2020 at 23:22):

i'll note that there seems to be some precedent for replacing subobjects with discrete [op]fibrations when doing sheafy stuff: the étale sites in algebraic geometry use just such maps as parts of covering families (of course, this is in a slightly different part of the machinery and a somewhat different kind of "discrete fibration"...)

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Nov 11 2020 at 01:51):

I don't have anything to intelligent to say, so I'll say something unintelligent. Mark Weber defined an elementary 2-topos to be a finitely complete cartesian closed 2-category equipped with a duality involution and a classifying discrete opfibration:

view this post on Zulip sarahzrf (Nov 11 2020 at 02:05):

yeah, most of the little i know on this kind of topic came from browsing the 2-topos stuff on Mike Shulman's sub-nlab & i think he alluded to several existing definitions incl that one

view this post on Zulip sarahzrf (Nov 11 2020 at 02:07):

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view this post on Zulip David Kern (Nov 14 2020 at 00:19):

What I am about to say is not close to being an answer to your question (as I am also very much out of my depth), but nonetheless it might lead to an interesting road.

Anel–Biedermann–Finster–Joyal are developing a way of talking about general presentations of Grothendieck (,1)(\infty,1)-topoï, using instead of Lawvere–Tierney topologies what they call (lex) modalities, pullback- (or finite limits-)stable unique factorisation systems. When comparing to topological localisations, they obviously focus a lot on truncated morphisms. I do not think this story is completely published yet, though some of it features in these three papers, but it is explained in this talk.

It seems plausible that adapting this point of view to (,2)(\infty,2)-topoï (for example the factorisation systems may have to be replaced by ternary factorisation systems) could be fruitful, and then you would recover these 22-sieves (at least, something working on the discrete opfibration classifier) by appropriately specialising to 22-topoï just as they do for 11-topoï.

view this post on Zulip sarahzrf (Jan 04 2021 at 17:59):

ooh, i realized today: are hypercovers what i was looking for?

view this post on Zulip David Kern (Jan 05 2021 at 17:55):

The difference between descent and hyperdescent usually only becomes material at the purely \infty-categorical level (see e.g. Lemmata 6.5.2.9 or 6.5.3.9 of HTT). For obvious reasons, this has not been formalised for (,2)(\infty,2)-topoï, but it seems very likely to be true nonetheless, so I do not think hypercovers can provide what you are looking for.
In addition, while hypercovers refine the notion of coverings, they are still based on the same notion of topology, so it should go the other way around: hypercovers will not help to define your 22-sieves, but on a 22-site you will have both "22-covers" and "22-hypercovers".