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Stream: learning: questions

Topic: Well quasi-orders: a categorial perspective?


view this post on Zulip Benjamin Merlin Bumpus (he/him) (Jun 22 2023 at 11:35):

Hello!

Well Quasi Ordering crops up in many places in mathematics (perhaps most notably in Robertson & Seymour's theorem in graph theory; i.e.what used to be called Wagner's conjecture). WQOs are usually defined as preorders (quasi orders) without infinite antichains; however I was wondering if anyone knows a nice category-theoretic way of defining them? I'd also appreciate any reading suggestions on the topic, if anyone has any :)

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Jun 22 2023 at 14:27):

If anyone knows anything that's not already in [[well-quasi order]], we can add it!

view this post on Zulip Benjamin Merlin Bumpus (he/him) (Jun 22 2023 at 14:57):

Perhaps I should take "page not found" as an encouraging sign that this is worth thinking about :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

view this post on Zulip Morgan Rogers (he/him) (Jun 22 2023 at 15:04):

try [[well-quasi-order]] :')

view this post on Zulip Benjamin Merlin Bumpus (he/him) (Jun 22 2023 at 15:24):

ah, thanks! :people_hugging:

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Jun 22 2023 at 16:19):

It's still worth thinking about, since there's not a lot on that page.

view this post on Zulip Benjamin Merlin Bumpus (he/him) (Jun 22 2023 at 16:35):

Agreed; but the coalgebraic formulation seems quite nice!

view this post on Zulip Todd Trimble (Jul 31 2023 at 17:46):

The coalgebraic formulation of [[well-founded relation]] is due to Paul Taylor; he discusses it in his book Practical Foundations of Mathematics. And yes, his notion of well-foundedness is quite far-reaching! It applies to coalgebras of any endofunctor T:CCT: C \to C, if CC has pullbacks and TT is taut (preserves inverse images of subobjects), and it provides a key for doing recursion theory in a nice categorical way.