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Let be a topological group, and denote the category of -spaces - meaning, topological spaces equipped with a continuous -action. This is exactly the category of algebras for the monad on , so the forgetful functor creates all limits, and creates all colimits that the monad and its square preserve.
So is complete. Since products distribute over coproducts in , it also has coproducts that are created by the forgetful functor to . I was interested in understanding when it has coequalizers, and what they look like.
If is locally compact (or core-compact, but this turns out to be equivalent for topological groups), preserves quotient maps. Hence in this case would be cocomplete and the forgetful functor creates coequalizers.
However, if is not assumed to be locally compact, I think can still be argued to have coequalizers. Here is the approach I have in mind:
Let be -spaces, and be two -equivariant maps. We can define a copresheaf where is defined to be the set of -equivariant maps that coequalize . We seek a representation of , which is equivalently an initial object of , its category of elements.
Now, preserves limits (indeed this is true in any category), so the projection creates limits. Hence is complete.
It suffices to show that has a weakly initial set of objects. For this, I claim that the collection of objects where is a -space whose underlying set is a subset of suffices. This forms a set by standard arguments, and any equivariant map can be factored as , whence is isomorphic to such an and transport of structure can be used to define the requisite map .
Of course, this is a rather involved construction - I don't really have any idea what coequalizers explicitly look like when is non-locally-compact! Two questions:
1) Does this argument look correct?
2) I may have done some redundant work by redoing a variant of the standard adjoint functor theorem argument - is there a nice way to recast finding a coequaliser as some kind of adjoint such that this theorem can be applied?
Skipping over the copresheaf and category of elements arguments, you can directly consider the collection of regular quotients of which are -space homomorphisms and coequalize , and your claim is that the poset of such is complete, so that there is a least element in the lattice, which will be the coequalizer.
Considering this statement:
If is locally compact (or core-compact, but this turns out to be equivalent for topological groups), preserves quotient maps. Hence in this case would be cocomplete and the forgetful functor creates coequalizers.
if is not locally compact and doesn't preserve quotients, it's not clear to me that the above will be true; if I take quotients and that are -space homomorphisms, will the quotient in the image factorization of the induced map still be a -space homomorphism? I don't know what a standard example of a non-locally-compact group is to check whether or not it so happens that these limits of quotients are well-behaved.
Hm, perhaps you could just take the additive group of an infinite-dimensional normed space? This is metrizable with the norm topology, but cannot be locally compact (since the unit ball is norm-compact iff the space is finite-dimensional).
Oh, I think one thing to bear in mind - the solution set I gave isn't quite just the collection of regular quotients? Essentially, we can decompose any equivariant map as , where the first is a quotient map, the second is a continuous bijection, and the third is an inclusion.
However, the continuous bijection need not be a homeomorphism. So for the solution set to work, I can't just take all spaces of the form - instead, these need to be "closed up" under allowing for coarser topologies. This is equivalent to taking spaces of the form I believe, and then I use a transport of structure-argument to show that it suffices to think of as a strict subset of but possibly re-topologised.
Surely if coequalizes and the second part is a continuous bijection then the first part must coequalize ?
Yes I believe so, because coequalising here is just a set-theoretic condition
So why can't you "just take all spaces of the form "?
Hm maybe you could then actually, I just didn't do that for my original solution
But my question remains of whether is automatically a -space homomorphism
Ah I understand better now - I am not actually sure, part of the issue here of course is that while is a topological space, defining a continuous -action on it is difficult when you don't know if preserves quotients.
So maybe what I did in my solution is bypass the usage of entirely by just using ? One can take subspaces of -spaces (and thus images of -equivariant maps) with no topological issues, and then is a -space homomorphism.
So the image in might not be a coequalizer, but the coequalizer should still exist!
Yes that's what I'd expect, since doesn't generally preserve coequalisers.
Essentially I started thinking about this by trying to establish categorical properties of , realising "hey wait coequalisers seem hard since I can't obviously use the construction in , do they even exist?", and then coming across this argument. For non-locally compact , I would expect that the forgetful functor wouldn't preserve coequalisers, much less create them.
It seems like you end up constructing it from the coequalizer in more or less... I wonder if there's a slick way to show that?
Hm the construction is sufficiently involved that I’m not actually sure if the other forgetful functor preserves coequalisers. The underlying set of the coequaliser I constructed is some horrible subspace of a huge product, after all…
Hopefully we've spelled out enough of the details in discussing it that someone will be able to jump in with a neat result if there is one :sweat_smile:
Do you want to summarize? You've pinned down some "other" forgetful functor and you want to know whether it's known to preserve coequalizers?
Yes, so to summarise:
1) The original argument shows that, even for non-locally-compact topological groups , the category of -spaces is still cocomplete.
2) However, for these the monad no longer preserves quotient maps, so it is not automatic that the forgetful functor would preserve coequalisers.
3) There is also another natural forgetful functor - I am not sure whether this preserves coequalisers, either. Since is a topological group, is no longer just a functor category, so I'm not even sure what coequalisers in it look like.
My questions are then:
A) Is the argument I presented for "1" correct?
B) Is there a slicker argument available?
C) What do coequalisers in look like generally, and how do they interact with these forgetful functors?
Ah, I figured you meant a non-obvious forgetful functor to thanks.
Right so since is a topological group, one would probably define as sets equipped with a -action that is continuous when is considered a discrete space? Or one could relax the continuity requirement which is equivalent to forgetting the topology on , but I'm not sure if that's sensible.
Yes, usually -sets for a topological group are defined like that. I think I remember that this just means a -set, ignoring the topology, such that the stabilizers are all open subgroups (Morgan will remember this better), which means that for familiar topological groups that lack open subgroups this is just the category of discrete -sets.
Actually I am no longer sure about the forgetful functor in 3 - if G x X -> X is continuous, it shouldn’t be generally true that G x Disc(X) -> Disc(X) is continuous, right? Maybe we do need to forget the topology on G then.
Do you have a specific reason to care about -actions in the category of all topological spaces? If you use a [[convenient category of spaces]], then the monad does preserve all colimits since it is a left adjoint.
Anyway, my guess would have been that the forgetful functor you'd want would be to sets with an action by the underlying discrete group of . In particular, that functor has a right adjoint (any action on an indiscrete space is continuous), so it preserves colimits and you could hope that it creates them. Perhaps it is even a [[topological functor]]?
I’ve just been going through Tom Dieck’s book on algebraic topology - is mentioned in chapter 1 so I was investigating its categorical properties. I’ve heard of these convenient categories but don’t know their details - I suppose I thought it would be good for me to get practice first with itself.
Convenient categories are actually easier, and almost never do you need to know exactly what the definition of your convenient category is, or even which convenient category you're working in. I think the best way to learn algebraic topology is to just pretend that "Top" is cartesian closed, and if anyone complains, wave your hands and say "convenient category". (-: