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Stream: learning: questions

Topic: 2-sphere isn't an open subset of a cartesian space


view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 00:13):

In this nlab entry: Karoubi envelope, they say that the category of smooth manifold is (equivalent, isomorphic? to) the idempotent-splitting completion of the category of open subspaces of cartesian spaces. In remark 1.2, it is said that the 22-sphere can be represented as say (R3\{0},e)(\mathbb{R}^3\backslash \{0\},e) where ee is the endomap of R3\{0}\mathbb{R}^3\backslash \{0\} defined by e(x)=xxe(x)=\frac{x}{||x||}.

It makes a lot of sense to me since in the usual representation of the category of smooth manifolds, we have this splitting of ee:
R3\{0}rS2sR3\{0}\mathbb{R}^3\backslash \{0\} \overset{r}{\rightarrow} S^2 \overset{s}{\rightarrow} \mathbb{R}^3\backslash \{0\}
where r(x)=xxr(x)=\frac{x}{||x||}, and S2S^2 is seen as the sphere of radius one centered at 00 in R3\mathbb{R}^3, and ss is the inclusion.

It is said in this same remark that the 2-sphere isn't (diffeomorphic) to an open subset of a cartesian space.

I don't know how to prove this.

Questions:

view this post on Zulip Eric M Downes (Jun 30 2024 at 00:37):

I don't remember much about diffeomorphisms, sadly.

By "cartesian space" you mean Rn\mathbb{R}^n right? If so I can help for parts 2 and 3. Can you prove that nn-spheres are compact?

(Hint: can you find a continuous injective embedding f:SnRn+1f:S^n\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^{n+1} such that f(Sn)f(S^n) is closed and bounded?)

(If you mean something else by cartesian space please link to that.)

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 00:41):

Eric M Downes said:

By "cartesian space" you mean Rn\mathbb{R}^n right?

Yes, exactly.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 00:42):

And diffeomorphic \Rightarrow homeomorphic, so not homeomorphic \Rightarrow not diffeomorphic.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 00:44):

Eric M Downes said:

(Hint: can you find a continuous injective embedding f:SnRn+1f:S^n\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^{n+1} such that f(Sn)f(S^n) is closed and bounded?)

Yes, the usual representation of SnS^n is as the sphere of radius 11 centered at 00 in Rn+1\mathbb{R}^{n+1}. With this representation, the embedding is just an inclusion.

view this post on Zulip Eric M Downes (Jun 30 2024 at 00:47):

Nice. So is it compact then?

view this post on Zulip Eric M Downes (Jun 30 2024 at 00:48):

(and is compactness a topological invariant?)

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 00:48):

Ok, SnS^n is closed and bounded in Rn+1\mathbb{R}^{n+1}, thus it is compact. But is it true that an open subset of cartesian space is never compact?

view this post on Zulip Eric M Downes (Jun 30 2024 at 00:50):

Well, compact = closed & bounded by Heine-Borel right? And under the usual topology of Rn\mathbb{R}^n there are very few clopen sets...

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 00:51):

Hmm, an open subset of a cartesian space is homeomorphic to the open ball of radius 11 centered at 00 (through xx1xx \mapsto \frac{x}{1-||x||} whose inverse is xx1+xx \mapsto \frac{x}{1+||x||})which is not compact because you can define a sequence which converges to the border.

view this post on Zulip Eric M Downes (Jun 30 2024 at 00:53):

Be careful though..... is (0,1)(2,3)(0,1)\cup(2,3) open?

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 00:53):

Yes?

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 00:54):

Why do I need to be careful?

view this post on Zulip Eric M Downes (Jun 30 2024 at 00:55):

Is simple-connectedness a topological invariant?

view this post on Zulip Eric M Downes (Jun 30 2024 at 00:55):

eg preserved by homeomorphisms

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 00:56):

Jean-Baptiste Vienney said:

Hmm, an open subset of a cartesian space is homeomorphic to the open ball of radius 11 centered at 00 (through xx1xx \mapsto \frac{x}{1-||x||} whose inverse is xx1+xx \mapsto \frac{x}{1+||x||})which is not compact because you can define a sequence which converges to the border.

Sorry, I don't think the first fact is true. I was thinking "Rn\mathbb{R}^n is homeomorphic to the open ball of radius 11 centered at 00".

view this post on Zulip Eric M Downes (Jun 30 2024 at 00:56):

yes! thats what I was getting at. Nice work.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 00:57):

Yeah, it is false, since an open set isn't necessarily connected.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 00:57):

Eric M Downes said:

Well, compact = closed & bounded by Heine-Borel right? And under the usual topology of Rn\mathbb{R}^n there are very few clopen sets...

Ok, this is the way to go I guess.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 01:03):

Ok, if UU is a clopen set in Rn\mathbb{R}^n which is neither \emptyset nor Rn\mathbb{R}^n, then Rn\U\mathbb{R}^n \backslash U is also clopen. So Rn\mathbb{R}^n is a disjoint union of nonempty open sets, thus Rn\mathbb{R}^n is not connected. But Rn\mathbb{R}^n is connected since it is path-connected.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 01:10):

To sum up:

Now, we have reduced the problem to the one of proving that the nn-sphere isn't homeomorphic to an Rp\mathbb{R}^p.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 01:11):

Ok, I think I know how to finish.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 01:19):

I think you must show that the Rp\mathbb{R}^p is contractible but the nn-sphere is not.

view this post on Zulip Eric M Downes (Jun 30 2024 at 01:29):

I would say they are both contractible to different things, but yes that is sufficient.

I mean, you don't need homotopy though. If you know what homeomorphisms preserve, you can see it directly, which is maybe more categorical? Anyway, I think you're good; I gotta go though, so good luck!

view this post on Zulip Eric M Downes (Jun 30 2024 at 01:32):

Oh yeah sorry forgot that people use "contractible" to mean "contractible to a point" instead of say "contractible to a loop" etc. Sorry, I always found that confusing and must have chosen to forget it lol.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 01:35):

Anyway, I wanted to say that the nn-sphere is not contractible (if n1n \ge 1) because Hn(Sn)ZH^n(S^n) \cong \mathbb{Z}.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 01:38):

Oh, maybe it's overkill.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 01:39):

It's easier to show that Rn\mathbb{R}^n is not compact I think.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 01:40):

It's not compact because it is not a bounded subset of itself.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 01:42):

Ok, so you just have to say this:

Let n1n \ge 1.

view this post on Zulip Jean-Baptiste Vienney (Jun 30 2024 at 01:43):

It was not that hard ahaha.

view this post on Zulip Todd Trimble (Jun 30 2024 at 05:54):

In this nlab entry: Karoubi envelope, they say that the category of smooth manifold is (equivalent, isomorphic? to) the idempotent-splitting completion of the category of open subspaces of cartesian spaces.

The idempotent-splitting completion is determined up to equivalence, certainly.