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Stream: learning: questions

Topic: "Characterization" in categorical language?


view this post on Zulip David Egolf (Jan 27 2021 at 05:07):

For context, I'm interested in thinking about imaging using concepts from category theory.

We can describe an image (say, a grid of intensity values) by specifying its intensity values. The more intensity values we know, the better we can describe the image. Similarly, we can partially characterize an unknown imaging target by bouncing ultrasound echoes off it from a few angles. A function can be described by how it acts on each element in its source set. A linear map can be described by how it acts on each basis vector in its source vector space. A vector can be described by how it maps under different linear mappings.

The examples above illustrate the concept of partially characterizing something by looking at parts of it, or by observing the results of different measurements of it. Is there a categorical concept corresponding to this "partial characterization"? For example, one could imagine saying that an object oo in a category is better characterized as we are told more about the morphisms from oo or to oo.

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Jan 27 2021 at 08:55):

Sheaves could be what you're looking for. This paper by Robinson explicitly talks about images, if I recall correctly.

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Jan 27 2021 at 08:57):

There's also the concept of generator (or separator, in nLabian) which captures what you described for set maps and vector spaces maps.

view this post on Zulip fosco (Jan 27 2021 at 09:07):

Well, an object of a category is better characterised as we are told more about the morphisms from any other object to it. It's called "Yoneda lemma"

view this post on Zulip Fawzi Hreiki (Jan 27 2021 at 09:34):

Maybe the concept of a dense subcategory could help. The idea is that all the objects in the category are constructed by glueing together some basic ones (in a canonical way).

view this post on Zulip Fawzi Hreiki (Jan 27 2021 at 09:38):

For example, the one point set is dense in the category of sets (since a set is just a bunch of points next to each other).

view this post on Zulip David Egolf (Jan 27 2021 at 16:23):

Thanks everyone. Those all look interesting, in particular the paper by Robinson.

fosco said:

Well, an object of a category is better characterised as we are told more about the morphisms from any other object to it. It's called "Yoneda lemma"

I have (sadly) yet to fully follow any presentation of the Yoneda lemma. My understanding, though, was that it talks about totally characterizing an object once we know all the morphisms to it. Does it also describe how this characterization develops when we are given some partial information about the morphisms to it?

view this post on Zulip Joe Moeller (Jan 27 2021 at 16:33):

Fawzi Hreiki said:

Maybe the concept of a dense subcategory could help. The idea is that all the objects in the category are constructed by glueing together some basic ones (in a canonical way).

I noticed there are no examples on that nLab page. You should add a few :smile:

view this post on Zulip Fawzi Hreiki (Jan 27 2021 at 17:15):

There is also this page which has the following fact: if TT is an algebraic theory which has a presentation with operations of at most arity nn and if A\mathscr{A} is its category of models, then the full subcategory of A\mathscr{A} on the free TT-algebra on nn generators is dense. So K2K^2 is dense in the category of KK-vector spaces, etc..

view this post on Zulip Fawzi Hreiki (Jan 27 2021 at 17:17):

So that basically covers most examples from algebra.

view this post on Zulip Fawzi Hreiki (Jan 27 2021 at 17:18):

The density theorem states that the representables in a presheaf category are dense.

view this post on Zulip Fawzi Hreiki (Jan 27 2021 at 17:22):

I'm pretty sure that the simplices are dense in the category of simplicial complexes. The same kind of thing should be true for other categories of combinatorial spaces (delta complexes, CW complexes, etc..) but I haven't checked.