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Stream: community: events

Topic: community calendar


view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 11:16):

@everyone I've created a public google calendar to use to organise our events. Since we can't figure out how to integrate google calendar into Zulip, and we also can't pin things to the stream, I propose the following: every time anyone adds a new event to the calendar, re-post the calendar link in this stream, together with the details of your seminar
https://calendar.google.com/calendar?cid=N3EyZDZucTd1aXViNDJpbnFwNmg0ZmdyODBAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ

view this post on Zulip Uma Zalakain (Mar 27 2020 at 11:17):

It's asking me to login into a Google Account to see it

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 11:18):

Huhhh. I have it set to public

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 11:18):

Oh, google account. right

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 11:18):

That's probably a "feature" of google calendar

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 11:19):

This could be a problem, I know some people don't submit their souls to our google overlords. I wonder if there's a decent open source alternative...

view this post on Zulip Uma Zalakain (Mar 27 2020 at 11:21):

I had a quick glance at framasoft, they do have a calendar thingy but it asks for registration. It's probably the case that you only need to register to create a calendar, not to view it.

view this post on Zulip Uma Zalakain (Mar 27 2020 at 11:21):

Yeah, I don't have a Google Account myself

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 11:22):

I'll move the discussion about google calendar alternatives onto #meta. In the meantime, anyone who doesn't want to use it should still be able to find each event posted in this stream, just with some mental overhead to put them in the right order

view this post on Zulip Cyphase (Mar 27 2020 at 11:23):

You can definitely make a Google calendar public without viewers needing an account.

view this post on Zulip T Murrills (Mar 27 2020 at 11:23):

the help pages seem to suggest it is possible to share a google calendar with people who don’t have a google account? If you just changed the setting to “make available to public”, it might not have kicked in yet

view this post on Zulip Cyphase (Mar 27 2020 at 11:23):

Also, if you haven't seen: https://zulipchat.com/integrations/doc/google-calendar

view this post on Zulip Cyphase (Mar 27 2020 at 11:23):

But I'm all for open-source alternatives. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 11:26):

Ok, it may be it hasn't kicked in yet. Keep trying I guess

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 11:28):

So far we haven't had anyone who both understands the words written on that page and also has the time to deal with it. Since we're running on the Zulip cloud and not on a server, it doesn't even start to make sense to me

view this post on Zulip JS PL (he/him) (Mar 27 2020 at 11:31):

This is great! Can you also share the iCal address for this google calender? (I believe it can be found in the sharing setting of google calender)

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 11:32):

https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/7q2d6nq7uiub42inqp6h4fgr80%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 11:32):

hopefully that's it

view this post on Zulip JS PL (he/him) (Mar 27 2020 at 11:34):

Yes that's it: thanks!

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 11:44):

By the way, I'll add the already-posted events to the calendar myself when I get bored some time, if nobody else does it first

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 27 2020 at 11:44):

Jules Hedges said:

I've created a public google calendar to use to organise our events. Since we can't figure out how to integrate google calendar into Zulip, and we also can't pin things to the stream, I propose the following: every time anyone adds a new event to the calendar, re-post the calendar link in this stream, together with the details of your seminar
https://calendar.google.com/calendar?cid=N3EyZDZucTd1aXViNDJpbnFwNmg0ZmdyODBAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ

Let me research calendar integration a bit. There are bots available.

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 27 2020 at 11:46):

Ok, the calendar bot is the most useless thing I've ever seen. You just configure it on a private server and it will bother designated users with useless notifications.

view this post on Zulip Cyphase (Mar 27 2020 at 11:47):

Hubot has Google calendar and iCal integrations. Also loads of other stuff.

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 27 2020 at 11:49):

Another bummer is that zulip does not support pinned messages yet, so things like the calendar link Jules created will be inevitably lost at some point

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 11:51):

What I hope is that if it gets continually re-posted enough times, eventually everybody will get the idea

view this post on Zulip Uma Zalakain (Mar 27 2020 at 11:52):

Jules Hedges said:

https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/7q2d6nq7uiub42inqp6h4fgr80%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics

This works without authentication!

view this post on Zulip Apoorv Ingle (Mar 27 2020 at 15:21):

^ This google calendar gives me a 404 error

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 15:27):

That's very weird, is anyone else getting that?

view this post on Zulip Thomas Read (Mar 27 2020 at 15:48):

Still works for me

view this post on Zulip Joe Moeller (Mar 27 2020 at 15:52):

It's not giving me the option to add an event to this calendar. How do I get edit permission?

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 15:55):

argh, all the problems

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 15:57):

I don't understand how to allow anyone to edit. It doesn't seem to be possible......

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 16:00):

Ok, apparently I can only give edit access on an individual basis. That makes google calendar not suitable for this

view this post on Zulip Joe Moeller (Mar 27 2020 at 16:01):

I mean, do you want everyone to edit it? or just organizers of seminars?

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 27 2020 at 16:02):

it seems reasonable to ask event organisers to contact you to be invited to edit it

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 27 2020 at 16:02):

there won't be too many organisers

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 27 2020 at 16:03):

(though a few should have admin access, so there's not a single point of failure)

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 16:04):

I had intended that anyone could edit it. Maybe it could still work, but it sounds a lot more annoying

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 27 2020 at 16:24):

There are a lot of events happening all around. so yes, "everyone can edit" seems the best policy to me

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 27 2020 at 16:26):

Well, as far as I can tell that is impossible with google calendar. So... next!

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 27 2020 at 16:37):

Yes, also now that we figured out the integration with zulip is useless, there's no need to stick to google.

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 27 2020 at 16:37):

The main problem I am concerned with is how do we let the link survive tho, it will be inevitably lost in the stream of messages.

view this post on Zulip Christian Williams (Mar 27 2020 at 17:42):

We'll be doing a lot of organizing over the next week or two. we'll have streams everyone is subscribed to, and designated topics for announcements. If we need an external place to organize links, we may end up making a little webpage for this server, with the guide/constitution/calendar/etc.

view this post on Zulip Christian Williams (Mar 27 2020 at 17:42):

As long as we show we've been doing some work to make this better each time, people won't mind the use of "@ everyone" to get their attention.

view this post on Zulip Christian Williams (Mar 27 2020 at 17:44):

Jules Hedges said:

Well, as far as I can tell that is impossible with google calendar. So... next!

Hm, I'm pretty sure that it's possible to let everyone edit... or maybe that would involve inviting everyone to the calendar personally. Maybe that's not a terrible thing? I don't know. I guess for now we can ask the hosts to update with their events.

view this post on Zulip Gershom (Mar 29 2020 at 23:07):

i tried to open the google calendar and it appears empty

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Mar 29 2020 at 23:27):

Put something in it then. :slight_smile:

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Mar 29 2020 at 23:35):

I just tried to add the UCR events to this calendar but I was told I had to pick an app to interact with it, so I did that and then I was told I had to "add an account", without explanation of what that means. Too much work for me!

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Mar 29 2020 at 23:38):

I was hoping I could just click and get a Google Calendar webpage.

view this post on Zulip Christian Williams (Mar 29 2020 at 23:42):

I think @Jules Hedges hasn't added people to edit it yet. Or he gave up on it, and is looking for an easier option for us.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Mar 29 2020 at 23:47):

Okay.

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 30 2020 at 09:57):

I did sort of give up, waiting for someone to come up with a community calendar that can be freely edited without invitation

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Mar 30 2020 at 14:38):

Please, can someone figure out how to set up a Google calendar (or other calendar) that's easy for crowds to edit? By now I'm eager to start dumping information into it. There's the UCR seminar on categories, the MIT seminar, the HoTT seminar...

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 30 2020 at 14:43):

I'm looking into it! :slight_smile:

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:44):

I can make a calendar that anyone can view, and I can invite people to edit

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:44):

and the people I invite can also invite other people

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:44):

I think this should be good enough

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 30 2020 at 14:45):

I'm looking at alternatives other than Google

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:45):

if someone shares/PMs me their email address, I can add them to the permissions

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 30 2020 at 14:45):

I mean what we need is outright dumb, just a stupid javascript in-browser thing, I don't wanna believe no one ever made it before

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:46):

you need a server, not just client-side code

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:46):

I also don't think having a publicly editable calendar is even necessary a good thing

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 30 2020 at 14:46):

Absolutely, I'm looking for free offer for it.

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 30 2020 at 14:47):

Nathanael Arkor said:

I also don't think having a publicly editable calendar is even necessary a good thing

I think it is

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:47):

you're assuming that anyone who finds the link is well-behaved

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:47):

which I don't believe is a reasonable assumption

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 30 2020 at 14:47):

That's the basic assumption that keeps this whole community alive for the moment, yes.

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:48):

no it's not

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:48):

we have moderation on Zulip

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:48):

just because we haven't had to use it yet doesn't mean that it's not important

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:49):

ooh, I've had an idea of how to make this work

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:49):

we need an email address that multiple people can access

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:49):

and then we can give it out to anyone who is responsible for organising events

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 30 2020 at 14:50):

What I am saying is that - for now - and having managed the ACT telegram group for a few months without any problem, I am not expecting a bunch of rogue trolls to come adding weird stuff to the calendar. I understand the need for moderation, but especially with something like a calendar I don't think it's super critical

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 30 2020 at 14:50):

Nathanael Arkor said:

and then we can give it out to anyone who is responsible for organising events

This is a good idea

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 30 2020 at 14:50):

And a nice compromise

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 30 2020 at 14:50):

Do you want to create it or should I do it?

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 14:50):

I'm on it :+1:

view this post on Zulip Jules Hedges (Mar 30 2020 at 15:00):

Thanks folks. Sorry, I ran out of energy to deal with it, happy someone else is doing so

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:09):

edited: let's use a different strategy to share the calendars

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:09):

and there's a Google Mail account categorytheoryseminars@gmail.com that's in control of the calendar — I can give access to anyone who wants to add seminar information

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:10):

the time zone is UTC for simplicity

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:23):

okay, there's still a problem, which is that the share link doesn't include other calendars that have been added

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:23):

e.g. if we want to merge someone else's calendar, this won't be included in the share link by default

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:23):

we can generate a link, but this won't update the shared calendar for everyone who's already added it

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Mar 30 2020 at 15:24):

Nathanael Arkor said:

e.g. if we want to merge someone else's calendar, this won't be included in the share link by default

So what are those two links for?

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Mar 30 2020 at 15:24):

Specific snapshots of the calendar?

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:24):

so we either only add to the main categorytheoryseminars calendar, or people have to periodically check to see if more calendars have been added

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:24):

So what are those two links for?

these two links are for the main categorytheoryseminars calendar, without any extra calendars

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:25):

(they're both the same, just different formats)

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Mar 30 2020 at 15:25):

Yeah but if they don't update when you update the calendar, what are they pointing to?

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:26):

they will see all the events on the main calendar, but say I add another, external, calendar to the account (e.g. the HoTTEST seminar), then they won't see any of those events, unless they're manually moved across

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Mar 30 2020 at 15:27):

ok now I get it

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Mar 30 2020 at 15:27):

Maybe it's a good thing? So we can vet the additions?

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Mar 30 2020 at 15:28):

Maybe separate calendars for each seminar would be even more manageable for ppl who don't want to follow everything

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:28):

yeah, it's not necessarily a bad thing — but we want a way to tell people that more seminars have been added

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Mar 30 2020 at 15:28):

let's use a topic here

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:28):

that could be enough, yes

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Mar 30 2020 at 15:28):

can moderators open a topic with restricted access?

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Mar 30 2020 at 15:29):

something like a telegram channel

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Mar 30 2020 at 15:29):

so it doesn't get polluted with replies and stuff

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:30):

I think so, yes

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:34):

okay, it would be good to have a webpage where this could be hosted

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:34):

which always has the up-to-date link

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 15:40):

@Brendan Fong, @Paolo Perrone: do you have an existing calendar for the MIT seminar?

view this post on Zulip Christian Williams (Mar 30 2020 at 15:43):

I volunteer to be an editor.

view this post on Zulip philip hackney (Mar 30 2020 at 17:08):

Is this something that needs editors? It's supposed to be a calendar putting together dates from a few other existing seminars, right? So, like someone should just run https://github.com/agraboso/merge_ics (or similar) somewhere, feeding it a list of the URLs for the calendars of those seminars.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Mar 30 2020 at 17:28):

can moderators open a topic with restricted access?

I believe they can open a channel with restricted access.

view this post on Zulip Paolo Perrone (Mar 30 2020 at 21:38):

We don't. Can I have access to the gmail account, to add an MIT category seminar calendar?

view this post on Zulip Paolo Perrone (Mar 30 2020 at 21:40):

By the way, very good ideas, everyone. Thanks for this.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Mar 30 2020 at 22:23):

How many category theorists does it take to create a calendar? :upside_down: I'm surprised at how hard this is. I have no idea how to make a publicly visible calendar that only certain people can edit, but I would have guessed it was easy.

view this post on Zulip Paolo Perrone (Mar 30 2020 at 22:42):

Paolo Perrone said:

We don't. Can I have access to the gmail account, to add an MIT category seminar calendar?

Ok, now we have one! https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=fiadgnrrirqgjqe55r6q447mfc%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America%2FToronto

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Mar 30 2020 at 22:47):

the nLab seems like a good place to put it, but we'd need to embed HTML, which surely isn't possible

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Mar 31 2020 at 06:53):

I formalize my proposal to have a "read-only" stream where to post links to calendars of seminars/events, ditching a single big CT calendar. We just need a mod to create it. I only knwi @Christian Williams is? Is there anyone else in this timezone?

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 31 2020 at 09:39):

We plan to create an announcements channel. The problem with using a stream to link to events is that:

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Mar 31 2020 at 16:46):

I thought that stream was this stream.

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 31 2020 at 17:06):

This stream is for everyone to post into, while @Matteo Capucci was suggesting a read only solution where only admins can post

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Mar 31 2020 at 17:09):

But I agree with you, Fabrizio, that we need a single calendar so that on a given day people can see what choices of seminars there are to attend.

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Mar 31 2020 at 17:14):

So the solution I propose is an "Announcements" stream that is read-only, and a topic there that is "Calendar" with exactly one message, the link to the calendar. That's the closest approximation to "pin a message on top" that we have at the moment.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Mar 31 2020 at 17:25):

Sounds good to me!

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Mar 31 2020 at 17:34):

Sounds good to me.

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 01 2020 at 16:24):

I looked for some alternative services to handle this community calendar thing. I stumbled upon TeamUp, which does exactly that and has a lot of options for administration and so on. It also supports iCal feeds so that it can become more of an hub where to show many independent calendars. I setup a demo here : https://teamup.com/ksn21up4c5uamm8ioz

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 01 2020 at 16:25):

Unfortunately the free plan allows only 8 calendars and 8 (admin-ish) users. There's a free premium upgrade for 3 months for the pandemic, but then we'd have to resort to begging a free plan, like here on Zulip.

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 01 2020 at 16:25):

I think the app is cool enough to give it a shot

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Apr 01 2020 at 16:36):

How much does it cost if you pay for it?

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 01 2020 at 16:38):

It's 20$x12=240$ for the first decent option (50 'calendars', e.g. 50 running seminars)

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 01 2020 at 16:38):

Here's the pricing https://www.teamup.com/pricing/

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 01 2020 at 16:39):

Matteo Capucci said:

It's 20$x12=240$ for the first decent option (50 'calendars', e.g. 50 running seminars)

Is it clear what I (actually TeamUp) mean by 'calendar'?

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 01 2020 at 16:41):

@John Baez I think you replied on the wrong stream. BTW the correct name is 'sub-calendar', sorry. Maybe it's more clear: a 'calendar' for teamup is just a view on many 'subcalendars'.

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 01 2020 at 16:42):

So for us it means that for now we can plug only 8 independent sub-calendars, i.e. I can show only 8 iCal feeds from people organizing seminars

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 01 2020 at 16:43):

I'll dig a little more the internets though

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Apr 01 2020 at 16:43):

Matteo Capucci said:

Unfortunately the free plan allows only 8 calendars and 8 (admin-ish) users. There's a free premium upgrade for 3 months for the pandemic, but then we'd have to resort to begging a free plan, like here on Zulip.

Maybe let's try to contact them for a sponsor? @Christian Williams did so with Zulip and they are hosting us for free :slight_smile:

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 01 2020 at 16:46):

Yeah that's what I was trying to say

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 04 2020 at 09:30):

Hey folks, in absence of new proposals for a calendar app, and since @Daniel Geisler setup a webpage, I believe we should tale advantage of the TeamUp calendar I setup

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 04 2020 at 09:31):

Here's a link to add events: https://teamup.com/ksfss6k4j1bxc8vztb

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 04 2020 at 09:31):

@Christian Williams @Joe Moeller you could start by adding the next UCR seminars

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 04 2020 at 09:32):

@Noah Chrein you may add UMD seminars as well

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 04 2020 at 09:36):

@Daniel Geisler here's a wizard to create an embedded (i.e. iframe-able) version of the calendar:

view this post on Zulip Christian Williams (Apr 04 2020 at 17:17):

looks great! thanks. how do we add a calendar for ACT@UCR?

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 04 2020 at 18:45):

Ouch, I thought you could add calendars, not just events.

view this post on Zulip Daniel Geisler (Apr 04 2020 at 22:33):

Can folks check the calendar out and tell me what information I'm missing. I just imported an iCal file only to discover it has no new information.

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 04 2020 at 22:35):

@Daniel Geisler: did you see my message in #categorytheoryseminars calendar?

view this post on Zulip Daniel Geisler (Apr 04 2020 at 22:41):

@Nathanael Arkor Yes, I saw your message. I imported the info, no problem there. But there were only nine items and they were already in the calendar I had up. That's why I'm asking people to check for important information on the current calendar before having me merge other calendars with the same information.

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 04 2020 at 22:42):

the Google Calendar has all the 4 subcalendars already

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 04 2020 at 22:42):

whereas the teamup one is missing the HoTTEST seminar and the UCR seminar

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 04 2020 at 22:43):

I also don't see how to import the teamup calendar to one's personal calendar

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 04 2020 at 22:43):

so I think including the Google Calender is going to be more convenient, if possible

view this post on Zulip Daniel Geisler (Apr 04 2020 at 22:43):

Thanks, I'm on it.

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 04 2020 at 23:02):

@Daniel Geisler: just in case you're not familiar (it's not very intuitive), you can export all the calendars in one by going to the settings of any one calendar, then clicking the "Customise" button under the iframe code and then checking all the calendars in the bottom left

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 04 2020 at 23:03):

the only awkward thing is that if anyone adds a calendar to the Google Calendar, I think the iframe source will change — but hopefully this will be relatively uncommon and we can ping you when it does

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 10:18):

Folks, we already had this conversation. GCalendar is not suitable to our purposes bc the embedded calendar doesn't refresh, plus not everyone uses Google products. So we ditched it.

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 10:19):

To add events to the TeamUp calendar, there's a link above. If people want to add a calendar, they can write here

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 10:19):

@Christian Williams has admin rights on TeamUp as well, he can add UCR seminars. I can give it to other people, if needed-

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 05 2020 at 12:21):

Matteo Capucci said:

Ouch, I thought you could add calendars, not just events.

sorry, I interpreted this as saying that TeamUp was also not quite fit-for-purpose, because you have to add each event manually

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 05 2020 at 12:21):

can we instead add a calendar from another source to TeamUp?

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 15:02):

Nathanael Arkor said:

Matteo Capucci said:

Ouch, I thought you could add calendars, not just events.

sorry, I interpreted this as saying that TeamUp was also not quite fit-for-purpose, because you have to add each event manually

Sorry, my message could have been confusing indeed.

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 15:03):

To add a whole calendar you need to be admin. Currently only me and Christian are admins, so you can tell me what to add.
I've addedd the HoTTest seminar, and I expect @Christian Williams or @Joe Moeller to add a calendar for UCR

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 15:04):

Nathanael Arkor said:

can we instead add a calendar from another source to TeamUp?

Yes, it supports iCal feeds. In fact, as of now we are actually displaying three iCal feeds

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 05 2020 at 16:11):

okay, so it seems both Google Calendar and TeamUp can be used to achieve the same goals — so it seems best to let @Daniel Geisler decide which is easier for him
it looks like TeamUp could be simpler, if you never need to update the iframe source?

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 16:46):

Idk but @Fabrizio Genovese reported he didn't succeed to have the iframe updating with new calendars/events.

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Apr 05 2020 at 16:46):

What? I didn'y say that

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 16:48):

Oh

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 16:48):

Did I dream that up?

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Apr 05 2020 at 16:50):

I think someone said that google cal in iframe allowed to display multiple calendars at the same time, and I quoted this fact myself afterwards, but I never said anything about iframe updates

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 16:50):

Nathanael Arkor said:

e.g. if we want to merge someone else's calendar, this won't be included in the share link by default

This is what I'm talking about

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 16:51):

I don't know why I thought it was you @Fabrizio Genovese :joy:

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 16:52):

Quarantine is messing with my brain

view this post on Zulip Fabrizio Genovese (Apr 05 2020 at 17:04):

Welcome to the club!

view this post on Zulip Christian Williams (Apr 05 2020 at 17:23):

What timezone is the teamup using?

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 05 2020 at 17:37):

@Matteo Capucci: sorry, the discussions about calendars have been spread over too many streams/topics

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 05 2020 at 17:38):

the status now is that @Daniel Geisler needs to update the iframe source if someone adds a calendar to the Google Calendar

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 05 2020 at 17:38):

if that's not necessary for TeamUp, and there aren't any other drawbacks, then I imagine that would be more convenient

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 17:40):

Nathanael Arkor said:

if that's not necessary for TeamUp, and there aren't any other drawbacks, then I imagine that would be more convenient

It shouldn't!

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 17:42):

Christian Williams said:

What timezone is the teamup using?

The one you're in when you edit.

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 17:42):

The other option is to use UTC by default, but then viewers have to convert by themselves

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 05 2020 at 17:45):

UTC by default seems like the best choice here

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 05 2020 at 17:46):

if there's an option to change the time zone in the iframe, even better

view this post on Zulip Christian Williams (Apr 05 2020 at 17:47):

Well if it detects someone's timezone when they look at it, that seems pretty ideal. Why make people think?

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 05 2020 at 17:51):

oh, can it use the user's time zone if they're not the ones editing?

view this post on Zulip Nathanael Arkor (Apr 05 2020 at 17:51):

that is better

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 18:22):

Nathanael Arkor said:

oh, can it use the user's time zone if they're not the ones editing?

yes

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Apr 05 2020 at 18:23):

they've mastered time