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Stream: theory: category theory

Topic: slices of G-Set


view this post on Zulip Mike Shulman (Feb 12 2022 at 06:07):

If HH is a subgroup of GG, with corresponding orbit X:=G/HGSetX := G/H \in G\mathrm{Set}, then I believe there is an equivalence of categories HSetGSet/XH\mathrm{Set} \simeq G\mathrm{Set}/X. Put differently, the geometric morphism HSetGSetH \mathrm{Set} \to G\mathrm{Set} induced by the inclusion is etale. If this is true, does anyone know a reference for it?

view this post on Zulip Morgan Rogers (he/him) (Feb 12 2022 at 07:46):

All geometric morphisms between toposes of the form G-Set are atomic and induced by group homs, and injective homomorphisms induce etale surjections. The former fact is an exercise in Mac Lane & Moerdijk which I can dig up if you need, the latter thing is in the first chapter of my thesis but a better reference will eventually be my joint work with @Jens Hemelaer on factorizing geometric morphisms between toposes of M-sets, assuming I devote some time to finishing it within the next few months.

view this post on Zulip Morgan Rogers (he/him) (Feb 12 2022 at 07:52):

(A quick way to see that G/H is the correct thing to slice over to recover the gm induced by the inclusion HGH \hookrightarrow G is to observe that another expression for this quotient is GH1G \otimes_H 1, which is the image of 1 under the left adjoint to the restriction functor (the latter can be expressed as Hom(G,)\mathrm{Hom}(G,-)).

view this post on Zulip Mike Shulman (Feb 12 2022 at 08:02):

Thanks! I went back and looked at your thesis, but wasn't able to find the statement about etale-ness, can you point to it specifically?

view this post on Zulip Morgan Rogers (he/him) (Feb 12 2022 at 11:26):

Ah sorry that's because the part about all morphisms being atomic stops being true for monoids which aren't groups. You need to combine the fact that the hyperconnected-localic factorization of a gm coming from a semigroup homomorphism corresponds to the surjective--injective factorization of that morphism, with the fact that atomic+localic=etale

view this post on Zulip Morgan Rogers (he/him) (Feb 12 2022 at 11:26):

The former of the two is what you'll find in my thesis :sweat_smile:

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Feb 12 2022 at 17:09):

Mike Shulman said:

If HH is a subgroup of GG, with corresponding orbit X:=G/HGSetX := G/H \in G\mathrm{Set}, then I believe there is an equivalence of categories HSetGSet/XH\mathrm{Set} \simeq G\mathrm{Set}/X.

If it's true there should be a pretty simple explicit 'formula' for the equivalence, right?

I'm reminded of 'Mackey theory', which relates representations of the subgroup HGH \subseteq G and equivariant vector bundles over X:=G/HX := G/H, meaning vector bundles p:EXp: E \to X with a GG-action lifting the GG-action on XX. This is often studied in a context where everything is a manifold or topological space, which is making it hard for me to find references to how it works in the simpler case of sets. Also, I'm having trouble finding any reference to an equivalence, because people are often in a rush to exploit what's going on, and don't slow down to examine the equivalence that I believe is lurking here.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Feb 12 2022 at 17:16):

Anyway:

Given an HH-set SS you can form the GG-set

F(S)=G×S(gh,s)(g,hs) \displaystyle{ F(S) = \frac{G \times S}{(gh, s) \sim (g,hs)} }

This functor FF is the left adjoint to restricting GG-actions to HH-actions. But F(S)F(S) is a GG-set over X:=G/HX := G/H via [g,s][g][g,s] \mapsto [g], where [g][g] is the right coset of gg.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Feb 12 2022 at 17:19):

Conversely, given a GG-set YY over G/HG/H we can look at the fiber over the coset [1][1]. Since HH fixes [1][1] it acts on this fiber, so this fiber becomes an HH-set.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Feb 12 2022 at 17:20):

I think this is the equivalence you want - but yeah, I'm not proving it's an equivalence.

Anyway, this is the essential idea behind 'Mackey theory', translated from the usual Vect context to Set. People call F(S)F(S), as GG-set over XX, an 'induced bundle'. This stuff is widely used in group representation theory.

view this post on Zulip Jens Hemelaer (Feb 13 2022 at 13:55):

It is indeed the right equivalence. If XX is an object in a topos Sh(C,J)\mathbf{Sh}(\mathcal{C},J), then you can explicitly write down a site for the corresponding slice topos Sh(C,J)/X\mathbf{Sh}(\mathcal{C},J)/X:

For the topos PSh(G)\mathbf{PSh}(G) and X=G/HX=G/H, the category of elements of XX is a connected groupoid such that each object has automorphism group isomorphic to HH, so it is equivalent as a category to HH. The Grothendieck topology is the presheaf topology. This shows that PSh(G)/XPSh(H)\mathbf{PSh}(G)/X \simeq \mathbf{PSh}(H). Explicitly writing down the equivalence takes some more work, but eventually you get the equivalence that @John Baez wrote down above.

view this post on Zulip Jens Hemelaer (Feb 13 2022 at 14:14):

More generally, the étale morphisms to a presheaf topos PSh(C)\mathbf{PSh}(\mathcal{C}) are precisely the geometric morphisms PSh(D)PSh(C)\mathbf{PSh}(\mathcal{D}) \to \mathbf{PSh}(\mathcal{C}), induced by a discrete fibration DC\mathcal{D} \to \mathcal{C}. This is a bit similar to the correspondence between sheaves and étalé spaces. Maybe it is easier to find a reference for this more general statement? I have a feeling that it is a special case of a result in Caramello–Zanfa, but I haven't found a precise reference.

view this post on Zulip Zhen Lin Low (Feb 13 2022 at 14:32):

It must be in the Elephant somewhere, and was probably known to Grothendieck... (only half joking)

view this post on Zulip Jens Hemelaer (Feb 13 2022 at 15:13):

It was known to Grothendieck! It is in SGA4, Exposé IV, Section 5.8 :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: Thanks for the suggestion, I don't have the reflex to check SGA4 yet because the pdf wasn't always searchable.

view this post on Zulip Reid Barton (Feb 13 2022 at 15:57):

In fact this is essentially "the" example of an "etale map", with kKk \subseteq K a finite separable field extension, G=Gal(k)G = \mathrm{Gal}(k) and H=Gal(K)H = \mathrm{Gal}(K). Then SpecKSpeck\mathrm{Spec}\, K \to \mathrm{Spec}\, k is etale, the etale topos of kk is equivalent to GG-sets with SpecKSpeck\mathrm{Spec}\, K \to \mathrm{Spec}\, k corresponding to G/HG/H, and the etale topos of KK is HH-sets. (Though here GG is really a profinite group and the sets are supposed to have continuous GG-action. Hopefully an actual algebraic geometer can correct anything I got wrong.)

view this post on Zulip Mike Shulman (Feb 13 2022 at 19:43):

Thank you everyone, this is great!