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Topic: What do you call an object of Joyal's category $$\Theta$$?


view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Feb 22 2023 at 17:57):

We have:

Whatever the answer I want it to be applicable to presheaves too as follows (where either C=Set\mathcal C = \mathsf{Set} or else I'm talking about generalized elements):

I suppose that presheaves on Θ\Theta are often called "cellular sets", and so maybe the answer should be "cell". But this is a bit suboptimal because it clashes with the use of "cell" to mean "globe", and also with the more generic use of "cell" in the setting of an arbitrary presheaf category.

Θop\Theta^{op} is a category of disk bundles, but even ignoring the contravariance, I'm not sure "disk bundle" would work in the second set of bullet points. Probably whatever the term, it should be one word.

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Feb 22 2023 at 19:34):

Joyal called them “Batanin cells”.
Personally I would call them “diagrams of globes”.

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Feb 22 2023 at 19:37):

The convention I've been using is “(simplicial/cubical/globular) cell in XX” for your simplex/cube/globe in XX, and “diagram in XX” for a pasting diagram containing multiple (maximal) cells, which the θ\theta are.

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Feb 22 2023 at 19:38):

I'd be happy for that to catch on.

view this post on Zulip Jonas Frey (Feb 22 2023 at 21:06):

I've seen them called "globular pasting schemes", e.g. here

view this post on Zulip Mike Shulman (Feb 22 2023 at 21:30):

If you wanted to try to coin a word, it could be something like "globuplex", since it contains both globes and simplices....

view this post on Zulip David Michael Roberts (Feb 22 2023 at 23:52):

@Mike Shulman what would the plural be?? Globuplices?

view this post on Zulip Mike Shulman (Feb 22 2023 at 23:59):

That's pretty awful, isn't it? You could probably say "globuplexes" which is marginally less terrible.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Feb 23 2023 at 07:00):

I vaguely remember seeing some word for this kind of shape that's a bit less unpleasant than "globuplex".

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Feb 23 2023 at 08:52):

Globplex? Rolls off the tongue a bit better

view this post on Zulip Morgan Rogers (he/him) (Feb 23 2023 at 09:04):

Or if you would like to reverse the order of combining words, "simplobe" has an amusing ring to it.

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Feb 23 2023 at 10:31):

I find it confusing to think of Θ\Theta as "containing simplices", at least as long as one thinks of its objects as pasting diagrams.
Unlike Δ\Delta, \square and G\mathbb{G} which are generated by "(co)face" and "(co)degeneracy" morphisms, Θ\Theta also has "(co)composition" morphisms which are not (co)faces of any meaningful diagram.
The inclusion of G\mathbb{G} into Θ\Theta sends faces to faces and degeneracies to degeneracies, but the full and faithful functor from Δ\Delta to Θ\Theta only sends the "faces with consecutive vertices" to faces, so it changes the geometric picture somehow.
I think it's better to think of it as a representation of the simplex category, rather than an inclusion of the simplices into Θ\Theta.

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Feb 23 2023 at 10:34):

In fact this representation is essentially the same as the full and faithful functor from Δ\Delta into Cat\mathbf{Cat} (or Pos\mathbf{Pos}) sending the nn-simplex to the linear order on (n+1)(n+1) elements, and I don't think it's helpful to think of Cat\mathbf{Cat} or Pos\mathbf{Pos} as “containing the simplices”.

Especially considering that ωCat\omega\mathbf{Cat} “contains the simplices” at least in a couple of other ways (i.e. Street's oriented simplices and their duals).

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Feb 23 2023 at 10:39):

In any case, I think the objects of Θ\Theta have already been called

so any additional “unique” name will probably only contribute in the way described by this xkcd strip.

view this post on Zulip Morgan Rogers (he/him) (Feb 23 2023 at 11:11):

...I still like "simplobes"...

view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Feb 23 2023 at 14:39):

multiglobe?

view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Feb 23 2023 at 14:50):

grid?

view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Feb 23 2023 at 14:52):

Maybe an object of Θ\Theta is just a "theta"? I dunno... is "Let θΘ\theta \in \Theta be a theta...." okay? Or "Let xX(θ)x \in X(\theta) be a theta in XX...."?

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Feb 23 2023 at 16:02):

In rewalt I did just call their class Theta...

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view this post on Zulip Fernando Yamauti (Feb 23 2023 at 18:28):

In the context of test categories, I've heard before "polyglobe" being used for the free monoidal category generated by globes with the point as the unity.

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Feb 23 2023 at 19:31):

Amar Hadzihasanovic said:

In any case, I think the objects of Θ\Theta have already been called

so any additional “unique” name will probably only contribute in the way described by this xkcd strip.

If I can vote, 'Joyal disks' sounds the nicest to me

view this post on Zulip Matteo Capucci (he/him) (Feb 23 2023 at 19:31):

After 'simplobes', of course

view this post on Zulip Mike Shulman (Feb 23 2023 at 20:37):

I think if you think of a 2-simplex as two composable arrows (together with their composite), then it makes perfect sense to think of Θ\Theta as containing simplices.

view this post on Zulip Jonas Frey (Jun 17 2023 at 04:02):

Matteo Capucci (he/him) said:

Amar Hadzihasanovic said:

In any case, I think the objects of Θ\Theta have already been called

so any additional “unique” name will probably only contribute in the way described by this xkcd strip.

If I can vote, 'Joyal disks' sounds the nicest to me

I think the topos of cellular sets is the classifying topos of a class of structures that Joyal calls disks, but the category Θ\Theta is actually dual to the category of finite disks, in the same way as Δ^\widehat\Delta classifies finite strict bounded linear orders, but Δ\Delta is opposite to the category of finite strict bounded linear orders.