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Topic: Monic map of coproduct into product


view this post on Zulip Jonathan Beardsley (Jul 20 2025 at 19:10):

If a category has products and coproducts then there's a canonical map X∐Y→X×Y. Does anyone know of conditions on this map so that it's always a monomorphism? I was thinking that the category being "adhesive" might be relevant...but I'm not sure. The example I'm wondering about is n-fold (pointed) simplicial sets, which maybe makes it easier.

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 20 2025 at 19:24):

You need some stronger assumption to have such a canonical map; in Set, or any category with a strict initial object 00, there isn't (if you take Y=0Y = 0 then the domain is always isomorphic to XX and the codomain to 00).

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 20 2025 at 19:24):

Perhaps you are also assuming that there is a zero object? Then I agree.

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 20 2025 at 19:25):

(The fact you are thinking of pointed simplicial sets suggests so.)

view this post on Zulip Jonathan Beardsley (Jul 20 2025 at 19:48):

Ah, yes! I am definitely thinking of pointed things. Sorry, yes, I was just implicitly pointing everything....

view this post on Zulip Jonathan Beardsley (Jul 20 2025 at 20:11):

@Amar Hadzihasanovic what do you mean you agree? you agree that such a map exists, or you agree that adhesive implies that this is a monomorphism?

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 20 2025 at 22:08):

Sorry, just that the map exists. I don't immediately see how adhesiveness helps as it relates to properties of pushout/pullback squares and not the universal maps that they induce, do you have some argument in mind?

view this post on Zulip Jonathan Beardsley (Jul 20 2025 at 22:35):

I did. But it's nonsense, lol. So I'm back to zero again.

view this post on Zulip Mike Shulman (Jul 21 2025 at 01:07):

It's easy to prove that it's a monomorphism in pointed sets, and the same proof should work for pointed objects in any topos.

view this post on Zulip Jonathan Beardsley (Jul 21 2025 at 03:44):

ah thanks @Mike Shulman I'll give it a try. :)

view this post on Zulip Mike Shulman (Jul 21 2025 at 05:48):

You could also deduce it for all Grothendieck toposes from the fact for pointed sets by taking presheaves and then sheaves (and for n-simplicial sets you wouldn't even need the last step).