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Topic: I need a name for the following


view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Jul 11 2022 at 16:59):

Let AA be a strict nn-category, and let B=A⨿GnGnB = A \amalg_{\partial \mathbb G_n} \mathbb G_n be the result of gluing a copy of the nn-globe Gn\mathbb G_n onto AA via some "attaching map" ϕ:GnA\phi : \partial \mathbb G_n \to A. Let ν\nu denote the "new" nn-globe of BB (i.e. the one we freely glued on). For 0kn10 \leq k \leq n-1, let k\circ_k denote kk-composition in BB -- i.e. it's the composition operation which requires the appropriate kk-dimensional boundaries to agree.

I'm interested in studying certain "presentations" of nn-morphisms in BB, which for the moment I'll call "doohickeys", defined inductively as follows. First, ν\nu is "presented "by a unique doohickey of "order" 1-1. Inductively, if gg is presented by a doohickey of "order" k1k-1, then the composite globe a+(k)kgka(k)a_+^{(k)} \circ_{k} g \circ_{k} a_-^{(k)} is presented by a doohickey of "order" kk whenever a(n),a+(k)Ana_-^{(n)},a_+^{(k)} \in A_n are nn-cells such that this composite is defined.

So a doohickey is an nn-morphism of BB equipped with a choice of a way to present it in a particular way as a composite of ν\nu with nn-morphisms (a(0),a+(0),,a(n1),a+(n1))(a_-^{(0)},a_+^{(0)}, \dots , a_-^{(n-1)},a_+^{(n-1)}) of AA. The question is

What should "doohickeys" actually be called? And what should the "order" of a doohickey be called? And is there a better term than "presentation" for what I'm describing above?

view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Jul 11 2022 at 17:06):

Some notes:

  1. In the cases I'm interested in, every nn-morphism of BB which is not in AA is presentable by a doohickey, but this is not true in general. For instance, if ν\nu is composable with itself, then the composite νiν\nu \circ_i \nu is not presentable by a doohickey.

  2. Makkai called something very similar a "pre-atom". The difference is that Makkai studies a situation where one is gluing on many nn-morphisms at once, and he reserves "pre-atom" for the case where a,a+a_-,a_+ are less than nn-dimensional. This is because he will then build up "molecules" from the "atoms" presented by his "pre-atoms". I'm not wild about this terminology because I like my "atoms" to be _indecomposable_, whereas the globes presented by doohickeys are very much decomposable.

view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Jul 11 2022 at 17:10):

  1. Makkai's terminology has some nice things going for it, though. For instance, you might extend the physics analogy by calling (as Makkai does) ν\nu the "nucleus" of the atom. You might also think of the morphisms aϵka_\epsilon^k which go into a "doohickey" as being at different "energy levels" for different values of kk (I think probably higher kk would correspond to a higher energy level than lower kk).

view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Jul 11 2022 at 17:13):

  1. I've experimented "pre-cell", which is decent. I've also thought about using "peapod" because that's what my drawing of a doohickey looks like in dimension n=2n=2 -- but that analogy doesn't seem to go too far. I don't know if there's some kind of cell biology analogy to be made.

view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Jul 11 2022 at 17:15):

  1. The thing that I'm doing with doohickeys is to describe (under restrictive hypotheses) the precise equivalence relation on doohickeys which you need to quotient by to get the set of nn-morphisms of BB which are not in AA. The equivalence relation as I've written it seems pretty suggestive: it's the reflexive symmetric transitive closure of what you get when you allow one of the aϵ(k)a_\epsilon^{(k)}'s to be "absorbed" (via an appropriate pasting) into aδ(k+1)a_\delta^{(k+1)} -- somehow like an atom passing to an "excited state" or something.

view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Jul 11 2022 at 17:19):

  1. I think the main thing which is awkward about adopting Makkai's terminology to this situation is that the place where the "atomic physics analogy" lives (cf. (5) above) is at the level of doohickeys. So I'd want to call a doohickey an "atom" rather than a "pre-atom". But then it feels kind of awkward that "the thing presented by a doohickey/atom" is a "cell/globe/nn-morphism", none of which are terms which naturally sound like "a thing presented by an atom". (That plus (as mentioned in (2) above) the unfortunate point about "atoms" being decomposable... but I suppose this is unavoidable if one really wants to use an atomic physics analogy.)

view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Jul 11 2022 at 17:34):

  1. In the atomic orbital analogy, the number kk which I called the "order" might be thought of as being like the principal quantum number, which fits well with the idea of "energy levels". It's then a bit unfortunate that the next quantum number -- the azimuth is, in actual physics, a number in a restricted interval rather than {,+}\{-,+\}-valued. And the quantum numbers which are {,+}\{-,+\}-valued, like spin, don't really have names which fit very well here.

  2. Maybe I could think of nn as the "principal quantum number" nn, the "order" kk as the "azimuth" \ell, and then regard each cell aiϵa_i^\epsilon as being located at an "angle", because the next atomic number mm is associated to angular momentum. This almost works out perfectly -- in atomic physics, mm is an integer between -\ell and \ell. I think this actually works out for me if I shift my indexing by 11, to think of ν\nu itself as being associated to "angle number" m=0m=0; then forming a+(k)kgka(k)a_+^{(k)}\circ_k g \circ_k a_-^{(k)} from gg is like providing angular momentum data at m=k+1m=k+1, both for (k+1)-(k+1) and +(k+1)+(k+1)...

(8) is a tortured analogy for sure, even though it works hilariously well! Maybe it would be distracting to fit the terminology to it...

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 12 2022 at 08:04):

I've lost you a bit on the last part but I can tell some things:

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 12 2022 at 08:08):

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 12 2022 at 08:09):

That preprint got superseded by one in which I did not use the “shell” construction, so as far as I'm concerned you are free to pick up the name if you like it.

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 12 2022 at 08:10):

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 12 2022 at 08:10):

(That includes the fact that the frame dimension of the “atom” ν\nu is -1!)

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 12 2022 at 08:14):

So my naming suggestion would be to say something like “A shell of order kk for ν\nu in AA”. You can even still keep your orbital analogies since electron shell is used in physics.

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 12 2022 at 08:15):

(Or “a shell of order kk around ν\nu”, if you want.)

view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Jul 12 2022 at 15:22):

Amar Hadzihasanovic said:

Thanks, I do like the term "shell"!

The dimensionality restriction you have on your "shells" (the condition that aα(k)a_\alpha^{(k)} be kk-dimensional) is, I think, the same dimensionality restriction which Makkai puts on on his "pre-atoms" (I presume you're using the same indexing as Makkai, which is off by one from the indexing I've been using) . So I guess the difference is that your "shells" are a bit closer to doohickeys in that you're allowing for the case where AA already has some nn-dimensional cells, which can appear in the top position (as aα(n)a_\alpha^{(n)} in Makkai's indexing, or aα(n1)a_\alpha^{(n-1)} in my indexing)?

I'm not including this dimensionality restriction in the definition of a doohickey. This doesn't allow me to represent more cells, but rather just gives me a bit more flexibility in how to represent them and describe the equivalence relation on them by which one quotients to get the cells of BB. I should think a bit about how essential this flexibility is to my approach...

view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Jul 12 2022 at 15:26):

@Amar Hadzihasanovic Given a shell σ\sigma around ν\nu, do you have a name for "the morphism of AA appearing as aϵ(k)a^{(k)}_\epsilon in σ\sigma"?

view this post on Zulip Tim Campion (Jul 12 2022 at 15:28):

Or, given aAa \in A, do you have a name for "the (k,ϵ)(k,\epsilon) such that there exists a shell σ\sigma around ν\nu where a=aϵ(k)a = a_\epsilon^{(k)} in σ\sigma"? (this may not be unique in general, but I'm generally making assumptions which implies that it is unique if it exists).

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 12 2022 at 16:42):

Oh, I got the indexing wrong in my reply, in fact I would use the same as you and have the aα(k)a_\alpha^{(k)} be (k+1)(k+1)-dimensional.

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 12 2022 at 16:45):

But no, I don't have any name for the individual parts of the shell, as far as I'm concerned you're free to pursue the “quantum number” story ;)

view this post on Zulip Amar Hadzihasanovic (Jul 12 2022 at 16:46):

(And yes, I do allow for the case that there are already some nn-dimensional cells around)