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Topic: The Elephant in the room


view this post on Zulip David Michael Roberts (Mar 30 2020 at 04:20):

I've wanted to know for some time now: how much of volume 3 of The Elephant is done? In 2013 I heard that it was about 40% written (someone sat next to Peter Johnstone at the CT2013 dinner and pumped him for info while he was... talkative). The Synthetic Differential Geometry section was at least drafted, as PTJ had taught a class on it at Cambridge. The notes were not shared in any way that I know of, unfortunately. I suspect the work of PTJ's student Zhen Lin Low on simplicial objects was meant to feed into the homotopy theory section. I'd love to ask the man himself, but I doubt I'd get an answer. Is there anyone with connections to Cambridge who has info? Or even just more recent rumours?

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Mar 30 2020 at 04:22):

I have no information; I should have asked him at CT2019.

view this post on Zulip David Michael Roberts (Mar 30 2020 at 04:24):

My worry is that he is trying to be completely comprehensive, and the growth of our knowledge of the homotopy theory of simplicial sheaves in the past decade and a half has been immense. I'm not sure he can keep up with current research in that area. Just getting all the 1-topos theory down will be a big service.

view this post on Zulip David Michael Roberts (Mar 30 2020 at 04:24):

Or he's hoping to do a second edition of volumes 1 and 2, updating those as well :-o

view this post on Zulip David Michael Roberts (Mar 30 2020 at 04:27):

The first two volumes took ~15 years from rough outline as a table of contents to publication. It's been 18 years that he's been working on the third. So maybe it will be two volumes, one each for sections E and F? That would be cool, but in that case it would be good to get at least one of them out before too long!

view this post on Zulip nadia esquivel márquez (Mar 30 2020 at 04:57):

As an absolute noob on the area i have nothing to say other than what a great name for the streeam.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (Mar 30 2020 at 05:37):

I somehow really doubt Johnstone is trying to write about anything besides 1-topos theory.

view this post on Zulip David Michael Roberts (Mar 30 2020 at 06:36):

Sure, but he does have sections in the proposed contents on model structures (plural!) on simplicial sets, and on sheaves, and also a chapter on cohomology. This seems like at least the Joyal model structure could get a look in, since that was in the air even when the original book outline was written.

view this post on Zulip David Michael Roberts (Mar 30 2020 at 06:36):

In the intro PTJ does mention that he was working on material from Part F even before the first two volumes were published, which is a good sign.

view this post on Zulip David Michael Roberts (Mar 30 2020 at 06:37):

Oh, well. Hopefully someone that he trusts can bug him for info and let us know if there is an ETA, or at least give a progress report.

view this post on Zulip Antonin Delpeuch (Mar 30 2020 at 07:12):

You could ask his PhD students - I hung out with them at the Postgraduate Conference in Category Theory and its Applications in Leicester last year and I think they had seen some excerpts of some sort (not sure if it was meant to be part of volume 3 though)

view this post on Zulip David Michael Roberts (Mar 30 2020 at 08:56):

@Antonin Delpeuch ooh, good idea. Do you know who they are? PTJ's webpage is AWOL, and the Cambridge maths department website is woeful. I can't even find a list of current PhD students, let alone those attached to a specific supervisor.

view this post on Zulip Antonin Delpeuch (Mar 30 2020 at 08:58):

The ones I met are Peter Faul and Jose Vitor Paiva Miranda De Siqueira, if I am not wrong

view this post on Zulip Alexander Gietelink Oldenziel (Mar 30 2020 at 09:13):

PJ send me his drafts on synthetic differential geometry and synthetic domain theory. These seem ~ 60% percent done. I don't know about the homotopy part.

view this post on Zulip sarahzrf (Mar 30 2020 at 09:36):

synthetic domain theory :eyes:

view this post on Zulip David Michael Roberts (Mar 30 2020 at 10:01):

@Antonin Delpeuch excellent, thanks.

@Alexander Gietelink Oldenziel thanks. I'm surprised it's so low, given what I had heard. But that was complete rumour.