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Topic: Course on infinity-categories in Amsterdam


view this post on Zulip Simon Pepin Lehalleur (May 17 2020 at 11:23):

TL;DR: I am preparing a course on infinity-categories for next semester at the University of Amsterdam, and I would be grateful for suggestions and feedback.

Freeze frame So you are probably wondering how I ended up in that situation... Before Covid-19 came into our lives, I committed to give a master-level course at UvA on \infty-categories (i.e., (,1)(\infty,1)-categories). That seemed like a good idea at the time. Now it looks very likely that the course will be online, which complicates things.

Here are the design criteria I am gravitating towards:

How reasonable does this seem so far? Does anyone have some experience with teaching this material? Have I missed your favourite reference on the subject?

view this post on Zulip Morgan Rogers (he/him) (May 17 2020 at 12:11):

Simon Pepin Lehalleur said:

I would love to experience this kind of graduation! Many results about toposes are presented in an infinity-form (by Lurie, say), and I find this rather intimidating. Even if you're not covering \infty-toposes, this could be useful for me, so...

Now it looks very likely that the course will be online, which complicates things.

... does this mean it will be possible for students not enrolled at the university to participate?

view this post on Zulip Reuben Stern (they/them) (May 18 2020 at 03:55):

This seems like a perfectly doable course! I do think that introducing the complete Segal space model is important, because that's how to reason about \infty-categories "internal to the world of \infty-categories".

view this post on Zulip Simon Pepin Lehalleur (May 18 2020 at 07:29):

Morgan Rogers said:

I would love to experience this kind of graduation! Many results about toposes are presented in an infinity-form (by Lurie, say), and I find this rather intimidating. Even if you're not covering \infty-toposes, this could be useful for me, so...

... does this mean it will be possible for students not enrolled at the university to participate?

I don't plan to say anything about \infty-toposes (except maybe the definition and some handwaving motivation) because I think they are really difficult to appreciate without a good grounding on classical topoi and/or sheaf cohomology on general Grothendieck sites, and most students of the course will not have that background.

My favourite introduction to \infty-toposes, probably easier than HTT Chapter 6 to start with, are Sections 2-7 of Rezk's survey:

https://faculty.math.illinois.edu/~rezk/sag-chapter-web.pdf

Rezk also has some related lecture notes, with more details on descent in \infty-toposes:

https://faculty.math.illinois.edu/~rezk/leeds-lectures-2019.pdf

I don't know yet if it will be possible for people who are not students at UvA to attend. At any rate I will post all the teaching materials on my website.

view this post on Zulip Simon Pepin Lehalleur (May 18 2020 at 07:34):

Reuben Stern said:

This seems like a perfectly doable course! I do think that introducing the complete Segal space model is important, because that's how to reason about \infty-categories "internal to the world of \infty-categories".

Thanks for the suggestion! I am not so familiar with complete Segal spaces. What would you recommend as sources to learn about them? I know of (as in, have not read!) the Joyal-Tierney paper and Lurie's Goodwillie calculus paper.

view this post on Zulip Simon Pepin Lehalleur (May 18 2020 at 07:48):

I found a survey on complete Segal spaces:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1805.03131

which looks good.

view this post on Zulip Reuben Stern (they/them) (May 18 2020 at 15:42):

Simon Pepin Lehalleur said:

Reuben Stern said:

This seems like a perfectly doable course! I do think that introducing the complete Segal space model is important, because that's how to reason about \infty-categories "internal to the world of \infty-categories".

Thanks for the suggestion! I am not so familiar with complete Segal spaces. What would you recommend as sources to learn about them? I know of (as in, have not read!) the Joyal-Tierney paper and Lurie's Goodwillie calculus paper.

To be honest, I'm not sure about sources. I think complete Segal spaces should be presented internal to the world of \infty-categories, in the sense that a CSS is a functor ΔopSpaces\Delta^{\sf op} \to {\sf Spaces} to the \infty-category of spaces that satisfies the Segal condition using homotopy pullbacks (i.e. pullbacks in the \infty-category of spaces) and the completeness condition. This makes it easy to generalize to complete Segal objects in any \infty-category with pullbacks.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (May 18 2020 at 21:10):

It sounds like a great course. I like how you've already recognized that 28 hours is very little time; in this amount of time it seems that giving definitions, precise theorem statements, general philosophy and examples is much more important than giving proofs.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (May 18 2020 at 21:13):

I emphasize "general philosophy" and "examples" because people in a rush often (foolishly) economize on these. I find that with most math, except for proofs of famously hard theorems, I can read the proofs and learn them myself once I know "what's going on" - what the theorem says, what it means in some examples, and how it fits into the structure of the subject.

view this post on Zulip Arthur Parzygnat (May 19 2020 at 04:57):

John Baez said:

I emphasize "general philosophy" and "examples" because people in a rush often (foolishly) economize on these. I find that with most math, except for proofs of famously hard theorems, I can read the proofs and learn them myself once I know "what's going on" - what the theorem says, what it means in some examples, and how it fits into the structure of the subject.

I can't agree with this enough. It took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out that this is the main reason I found it difficult to follow most of my math classes when I was in the earlier stages or learning. However, I do recommend providing a sketch if the proof introduces a technique that is incredibly useful/interesting (but again, only after sufficiently many examples are given and intuition is gained since otherwise these techniques may be unappreciated).

view this post on Zulip Simon Pepin Lehalleur (May 19 2020 at 06:59):

John Baez said:

I emphasize "general philosophy" and "examples" because people in a rush often (foolishly) economize on these. I find that with most math, except for proofs of famously hard theorems, I can read the proofs and learn them myself once I know "what's going on" - what the theorem says, what it means in some examples, and how it fits into the structure of the subject.

I mostly agree with this. However, even at the master level, some students may not have the necessary mindset and intellectual discipline to go through a lot of proofs on their own. Also, I imagine that many students who take the course will not necessarily go on to work with \infty-categories everyday, but the proof techniques (simplicial combinatorics, lifting arguments, reasoning with slice categories, ...) are more widely applicable; one of my aims is that students who forget everything about quasicategories afterwards will still take those techniques home, and for this I need to do a number of "representative" proofs.

view this post on Zulip Simon Pepin Lehalleur (May 19 2020 at 07:02):

Reuben Stern said:

To be honest, I'm not sure about sources. I think complete Segal spaces should be presented internal to the world of \infty-categories, in the sense that a CSS is a functor ΔopSpaces\Delta^{\sf op} \to {\sf Spaces} to the \infty-category of spaces that satisfies the Segal condition using homotopy pullbacks (i.e. pullbacks in the \infty-category of spaces) and the completeness condition. This makes it easy to generalize to complete Segal objects in any \infty-category with pullbacks.

This is certainly interesting if one wants to go in the direction of (,2)(\infty,2)-categories or internal \infty-topos theory and univalence, but does it belong in an introductory course?

view this post on Zulip Reuben Stern (they/them) (May 19 2020 at 13:50):

Simon Pepin Lehalleur said:

This is certainly interesting if one wants to go in the direction of (,2)(\infty,2)-categories or internal \infty-topos theory and univalence, but does it belong in an introductory course?

I suggested it because that is how I think about \infty-categories in practice, but it requires a little bit of putting up with circular reasoning if you don't want to really muck about with the formal proofs of things.

view this post on Zulip Simon Pepin Lehalleur (May 19 2020 at 15:14):

Reuben Stern said:

Simon Pepin Lehalleur said:

This is certainly interesting if one wants to go in the direction of (,2)(\infty,2)-categories or internal \infty-topos theory and univalence, but does it belong in an introductory course?

I suggested it because that is how I think about \infty-categories in practice, but it requires a little bit of putting up with circular reasoning if you don't want to really muck about with the formal proofs of things.

I see. I tend to think about \infty-categories informally in a slightly less precise way, as "categories coherently enriched in spaces", but your perspective may be better! It certainly meshes well with the nerve functor from 1-categories.

view this post on Zulip John Baez (May 19 2020 at 18:39):

Simon wrote:

I mostly agree with this. However, even at the master level, some students may not have the necessary mindset and intellectual discipline to go through a lot of proofs on their own. Also, I imagine that many students who take the course will not necessarily go on to work with ∞-categories everyday, but the proof techniques (simplicial combinatorics, lifting arguments, reasoning with slice categories, ...) are more widely applicable; one of my aims is that students who forget everything about quasicategories afterwards will still take those techniques home, and for this I need to do a number of "representative" proofs.

Yes, I definitely think it's good to do some carefully chosen proofs to show the techniques, and to convince people a subject is not black magic. What I hate is when people leave out the "soft" stuff - the general philosophy, and sometimes even the examples - because they feel short on time and think proofs are the essence of mathematics.

It sounds like you're thinking about the actual students, which is great!

view this post on Zulip Mike Shulman (May 20 2020 at 05:04):

In case you aren't aware of it already, let me mention http://www.math.jhu.edu/~eriehl/elements.pdf.